In this episode of Conners Clinic Live, Dr Kevin Conners has a conversation with Cheryl Hannah Nicholson of Kinesionics Integrative Healthcare from Prince George, British Columbia in Canada. They discuss Cheryl’s work with Natural Bioenergetics and the importance of dealing with one’s personal story and emotions (biography) in order to move towards healing.

Visit Kinesionics.ca for more information or contact Cheryl by sending her a text at

(250) 552-3495

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Dr. Conners
Hello again, this is Dr. Kevin Conners with the Conners Clinic Live podcast. Today is exciting because we’re going to talk about emotional well-being with health issues. I have as our guest, Cheryl Hannah. She is with Kinesionics Integrative Healthcare in Prince George, British Columbia, north of us here in Minnesota. There’s probably not too much temperature difference.

Cheryl Hannah
No, it’s a beautiful day today.

Dr. Conners
We have a nice sunny day here, but it’s two degrees. Cheryl, let’s start with introducing you to our audience. Tell us about yourself and how you arrived at what you’re doing.

Cheryl Hannah
I’ve always been interested in natural health care. I raised my children with the whole foods cooking nutritional approach, to support the body’s function and health. I have 12 children, and when I got pregnant with baby number 11, I broke out in this horrific rash that went from my neck all the way down to my knees. I could tell you within five minutes if I had eaten the wrong thing because I was starting to have reactions to everything. What happened, was I had an incredible yeast bloom – candida. Progesterone feeds candida, and with that many babies under my belt, my body was just – . Unhappily, conventional medication didn’t have much to offer that wasn’t somewhat toxic to my baby, as well. So that was ruled out. I happened to run across someone who uses something called “muscle response monitoring” or applied kinesiology, or muscle testing. Within a couple of weeks, he had me straightened around, using natural herbs and supplements, and I was hooked from that point. I thought “how do I learn how to do this?” Things progressed from there.

Dr. Conners
Oh, that’s great. That was how many years ago?

Cheryl Hannah
That was nearly 20 years ago that I started on this path.

Dr. Conners
What does your practice specialize in now?

Cheryl Hannah
We cover all sorts of things. I’ve been working on everything from brain injury to tumors, to learning disabilities. One of the things that seems to be coming up a lot for me lately is working with people who have PTSD, depression and emotional trauma that they haven’t been able to overcome using conventional talk therapies, counseling, etc.

Dr. Conners
We specialize in cancer as you know, but when we talk about causes of cancer, there is an emotional piece to it, you could say. I don’t think that emotions are necessarily a major cause, but there’s a piece to that. As far as overcoming the disease and healing from it, you have to address the emotional piece. It’s a scary thing when you hear the C word. Many people get scared to do a treatment protocol that they don’t really want to do, if they’re thinking correctly. There is all sorts of fear and anxiety that they have to go through. How would you take somebody with a serious diagnosis and walk through a procedure? They don’t have to be at your office, correct? You could do this at a distance. How would you walk with someone with a cancer diagnosis, to help them uncover the emotional side that they need to deal with?

Cheryl Hannah
The really interesting thing about muscle testing and the way muscles work is that they’re directly tied into our nervous system and our endocrine system. We can detect a change in the state of the muscle through testing, depending on the input we give it. The input can be verbal – I can ask a yes/no type of question and get a response back from the body. What that allows me to do is to address things at the causal level, as opposed to just dealing with the symptom. Some of the research that is now coming out through things like polyvagal therapy, etc., is when people have adverse childhood events or trauma from a life experience, those things will affect us on all different levels of the body.

People will develop autoimmune disorders, and basically, that’s what cancer is – the body not seeing the cancer to deal with it appropriately. We go in and we ask the body: in order to address this issue, where do we need to start? Everybody has a library of information contained in their bio-field, and I’m accessing that information through the muscle tests. The body will tell me we need to deal with this particular issue, and here’s a key word that that ties into that issue, that they need to think about. Then, we just figure out which circuit of the body we’re going to to correct around that issue. What is really interesting is the way the body will drop stress out of the system once that circuit has been corrected.

Dr. Conners
Do you use things like Bach flower remedies or essential oils, or acupuncture?

Cheryl Hannah
Yes, I use a form of a needle-less acupuncture. I have a set of tools here that are made from quartz crystal and have been programmed with scalar energy, and contain all of the frequencies for all of the different meridians. So basically, we’re using the meridian almost like it was a circuit board that you would find in your home. If your breaker blows out, the energy doesn’t flow and you can’t turn your lights on. What I’m doing, is asking which circuit is blown out around this particular issue. Then, in the face of that issue, we retune the Meridian system. Once that circuit is completed, the energy that flows in the body (that also carries data and tells the cells how to work properly) gets restored. The body is then able to start healing itself, whereas it couldn’t before.

Dr. Conners
That’s really the basis of traditional acupuncture – it balances the cause of disease. It is the practitioner’s role to try to stimulate the body, so the innate intelligence of the body can rebalance that issue and bring back homeostasis. That’s really what you’re doing.

Cheryl Hannah
That’s right. Except I don’t use needles with people who are afraid of them.

Dr. Conners
That can be an issue that could bring fear itself. What emotions do you see come up most commonly with seriously ill people?

Cheryl Hannah
They may have unresolved anger around things that they experienced, that were done to them by other people. I’ve worked with a number of women who have come out of quite terribly abusive homes, or marriages. We’re dealing with the fear, anxiety and pain, and trying to find their voice again. It’s been really rewarding to help restore that, so that they can move forward in their life and not stay trapped in it.

Dr. Conners
You deal with forgiveness and releasing some of the anger that they may have from somebody who treated them poorly, either through sexual abuse, emotional abuse or rape, etc. Ultimately, you still have to forgive that person in order to release yourself. You hear that when you forgive somebody, you’re really letting yourself out of prison. It’s hard to come to that point for a lot of people, when that pain is so deep. How do you deal with people that think they have forgiven somebody, but really, the emotional tension is still there?

Cheryl Hannah
The nice thing about this type of work is I don’t have to poke or prod people to find out, or dig around in their psyche or get them to spill their guts to me. A lot of times what people will experience if they go for traditional counseling is that they tell the story and relive it, and then reinforce the pattern of the trauma in the telling. Then they come out and don’t feel much better than when they went in. When, when I’m doing the work, I’m asking the body and it gives me a representative phrase. I don’t have to know the context of that phrase or what it means to them. I don’t need to know any of the back story. I just get them to think the phrase and it means something to them. As an example, I recently had a gal come to see me.

She was having difficulty in school with learning disabilities. She was going to college and having a lot of anxiety around it, so we did a correction factor. One of the words that came up was the word “knotted”, however it wasn’t exactly the right word. I had to use my thesaurus, and the word that I eventually came to was “matty”. I asked her to think about that word, “matty”, and what it meant to her, and then gave her the tool that we needed to correct the circuit. I was thinking, “matty”, in terms of a knotted, tangled mess, but it was actually the name of her friend Mattie. However, that’s how the body got me to the right word.

Dr. Conners
It’s amazing how the body works and responds – and people try to untangle that themselves. It can take forever, and you still may never untangle it. I like what you said about talk therapy – it can actually be detrimental, because from a neuro-psychological understanding, it’s reinforcing neural pathways. So you’re just building, reinforcing and strengthening that neuro pathway, making the problem worse as you continue to talk about it. This reinforces the issue and the emotion tied to it.

Cheryl Hannah
We know now that the way that you think…we have a saying in my line of work that your biography becomes your biology. So if you don’t deal with the biography, your story of how you got to where you are today, if you don’t address those issues, you will stay stuck in those patterns. They’re really hard to break out of.

Dr. Conners
Right. Emotional stories and abusive stories, you just continue to relive that in your mind when you tell yourself that same story. And that’s where we talk about, from a spiritual standpoint, we talk a lot about the freedom that’s in Christ. If you could turn those things over to him and let him bear that burden, it could be instantaneously releasing for people. But even, we have a lot of patients that are strong believers in the Lord, but they still are so stuck in certain ways, and obsessed about their disease or are even obsessed about healing. And we try to tell them that that’s not a good place to be. And it’s sometimes difficult to talk through that with people.

Cheryl Hannah
Yes. Well, fear and creativity cannot exist in your mind at the same time. Fear and learning cannot take place at the same time. If you’re in a fearful state, like a kid who goes to school who’s full of anxiety, will not be able to learn. But if you can deal with the fear, that frees you up for other options. And so, the Bible says we’re to make our bodies a living sacrifice and the way that we transform ourselves is through the renewing of our minds. So if you can get those stuck patterns of thinking that are in your brain, if you can unstick them, I like to say that we get stumbled by life. This work helps to un-stumble you, and it frees you up to other options and other ways of being and doing things. And it makes any of the treatments that you’re doing naturally to support the body function. They just take off and they work so much better when you get that junk out of the way.

Dr. Conners
Yeah. Well we would love to utilize your services and refer people your way. Remind us again where your clinic is at, and your website, and how to contact you.

Cheryl Hannah
I’m located in Prince George, British Columbia, Canada.

Dr. Conners
People can use your services at a distance so they don’t have to travel to Canada?

Cheryl Hannah
That’s right! I actually have people who have changed blood work as a result of seeing me. That’s objective evidence that it works. You can contact me by sending me a text at

(250) 552-3495

or you can find me on my website at Kinesionics.ca

Dr. Conners
Well, thank you so much Cheryl. I’m going to ask you politely if you would be a guest again so we can continue to dig into this subject. I think it can be really helpful for a lot of people.

Cheryl Hannah
I’d be delighted.

Dr. Conners
That’d be great. Thank you again and we’ll see you next time.

Cheryl Hannah
Okay, bye for now.