Interview of Dr Conners on the Essential Oils Revolution Podcast

Dr Conners was interviewed by Samantha Lee Wright on the Essential Oils Revolution Podcast where they discusses alternative cancer treatment, empowering patients to take responsibility for their health, and his own personal journey. The feedback we’ve received is that this is one of the best interviews Dr Conners has done. Please enjoy!

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Samantha:
Cancer is predicted to affect one in two Americans in the next 25 years or more. And that statistic is getting more startling by the day. And while due to pesky FDA regulations, we aren’t really allowed to talk strictly about essential oils and cancer. We are allowed to talk about lifestyle changes that you can make, ways to avoid some of the risks out there that increase your risk of cancer and how to embrace an overall healthy lifestyle. So for today’s episode we are talking with Dr Kevin Conners who runs an alternative at Cancer Treatment Center in St Paul. We’ll be talking about essential oils some, but mostly we’ll be talking about some of the treatments that he gives to his cancer patients as well as some topics about how essential oils compliment someone going through a cancer treatment.

Well, I’m here with Dr Kevin Conners, who is the staff physician and clinic director at Conners Clinic, an Alternative Cancer Treatment Center in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

He’s been studying alternative cancer care for over 18 years. He’s written numerous books including “Stop Fighting Cancer and Start Treating the Cause” that is available as a free download at ConnersClinic.com/books Dr Conners, welcome to the show. We’re so glad to have you here.

Dr Conners:
Hello Sam, how are you today?

Samantha:
I’m doing wonderful and yourself?

Dr Conners:
Fantastic, thank you.

Samantha:
Well I can’t wait to dive into this topic with you. You’ve learned so much around the topic of alternative and holistic healing and cancer and other illnesses. I understand that you operate the alternative cancer treatment clinic in St Paul. What are the most common therapies or treatments that you offer?

Dr Conners:
Well, most people seek us out because of our work with Rife Frequency technology. Rife is an instrument that was developed back in the 1930s and 40s by a man named Royal Raymond Rife, and now it bares his name, using light frequencies to help kill pathogens and he did a lot of his work on helping kill cancer cells.

Samantha:
Is that a similar kind of technology to like, I’m vaguely familiar with certain water treatments or water filtration treatments using a certain light. Is that the same thing or completely different?

Dr Conners:
That’s completely different. So like a water treatment would be like using ozone or something like that or ultraviolet light to help kill pathogens in the water. Rife frequency is a light frequency that uses a Tesla Tube and you can program it with the different machines that are out there, based upon whatever frequency you want to run on the machine. So from the simplest terms, from a quantum physics perspective, everything that exists is energy that’s vibrating at a specific frequency. So, cells are vibrating in a specific frequency. Cancer cells are vibrating at a specific frequency. If you could hit that cancer cell at its own frequency, multiple positive events could happen. Rife believed if you hit the cancer cell with its own frequency, you cause cell lysis, which is cell death. Lysis is what’s called a pathological death of a cell.

That’s what happens typically with chemotherapy, is cell lysis. I don’t necessarily believe that cell lysis actually occurs with rife or we would get ill effects like detox reactions and such that you get with chemotherapy. But I do believe that it stimulates apoptosis. I do believe it stimulates an immune system reaction, anything that you hit with its own frequency is going to cause that thing to vibrate, and that’s going to help the immune system, your t-cells, your macrophages, to recognize that as an enemy because, that’s one of the problems with cancer is it is your own cells. It’s not an enemy, like a bacteria, it’s your own cell that’s in a rapid replication phase. Your immune system is created to not attack self tissue; that would be called an autoimmune disease.

Your immune system is created to leave cancer cells alone, your own tissue cells alone. So if you can stimulate an immune response to the cancer, you can help your body kill the cancer. And that’s really how I believe rife works. There’s about 20 to five different theories. If you read some it depth, quantum physics, energy medicine books, there’s numerous out there on the market. You get into detail theories on how it actually works. But I think in the simplest form we are stimulating an immune response to help your body attack the cancer, and that requires an immune response. So you have to have a healthy immune response too. That’s where you’ll need other things to stimulate a healthy immune response like nutraceuticals and essential oils and stuff is essential to go along with the right in order for it to work at its best.

Samantha:
And what does that look like, especially on the essential oil side to compliment this sort of journey and these other treatments, people are undergoing, what kind of things have you used or recommended?

Dr Conners:
Well, there’s numerous essential oils from good, healthy peer-reviewed studies that show that it could be beneficial for people with cancer. From a practical standpoint, we do testing for each individual, so we don’t just have a set protocol. Everybody who has this type of cancer use this. We don’t do that. But from a practical standpoint, the standbys for cancer are going to be Frankincense, Myrrh, Lemongrass, Copaiba, Thyme, German Chamomile, Oregano. Those are the typical ones. We’re finding some of the Aldehyde oils like Cinnamon to be also effective. I think it’s through a completely different mechanism. And you know, synergistically, using different oils and synergistically linking oils with different nutraceuticals have extreme beneficial effect on the body. And of course everybody’s different.

Samantha:
And can you define nutraceutical as well for people unfamiliar with that term?

Dr Conners:
So a nutraceutical would be the use of a vitamin or herb for a medicinal purpose. So instead of a pharmaceutical, you’re using more of a natural pharmaceutical, like a Curcumin, Echinacea, Goldenseal, or Vitamin C; those would all be considered a nutraceutical approach.

Samantha:
Yeah, well and I love that, that synergistic approach. I mean that’s really what makes essential oils I think so powerful and so amazing to incorporate into any sort of health journey someone’s going on is that synergistic property. Adding an essential oil to the vitamins or the therapies or whatever you’re doing can can really amplify those effects in such amazing ways.

Now, you mentioned that you would sort of test the individual for certain essential oils that could compliment their therapies. What kind of testing do you do for that?

Dr Conners:
We do kinesiology testing at our office, but as a patient who’s trying to do things on their own, they can certainly tests by seeing their body’s response to things. I caution people about just sticking to one protocol that they might have read on the internet or something, to be careful of that because everybody’s different. You know, and especially when we see when people get a diagnosis of cancer, all their friends, very well-meeting, trying to be helpful, will send them some product or some supplement or give them information on something that their friend’s aunt’s brother’s wife, you know, this helped their cancer.

Samantha:
It can be so overwhelming. Yeah.

Dr Conners:
It can be overwhelming if the person actually took all those things. It can be overwhelming to that individual’s liver. So you do have to be careful not to take too many things. Remember anything that you absorb, your body has to detoxify, and too much of a good thing can also be a bad thing. So you don’t want to overwhelm somebody who’s liver, especially if they have cancer. When we’re trying to kill cancer cells and, and your body’s going to have to get rid of the dead tissue and such from that too.

Samantha:
Right. Do you know much about the effects of Lemon essential oil with supporting the liver during that detoxification process?

Dr Conners:
Yeah, that can be a support. So when we look at detox pathways from our perspective, that’s where we do genetic testing because there’s specific genes that really are the drivers of all your Cytochrome P450 pathways, your PON pathways, your NAT pathways. If a person has defects on those pathways, they’re going to have a much more difficult time detoxifying what detoxifies through that pathway. And then there’s specific, so you asked about testing. We use genetic testing a lot for recommendations of nutrition and essential oils as well because if there’s defects on specific pathways, then you want to try to support those pathways. You can’t change that genetic structure that you’re born with, those defects, but you can, “now I know that I have this defect, I want to support that pathway.” So we try to get real specific with the detox pathways and not used box detox type protocols. But there are some general things, the Lemonine products, essential oils are good for liver detox pathways; typically the Cytochrome P450 pathways, if I recall.

Samantha:
And speaking of genetics, I love that you’re doing genetic testing on people to really help match them with nutrition counseling, essential oils, supplements, all these things that we recently interviewed an epigenetic specialist here about that, that very topic. So I love that you’re integrating that. And it kind of sparked this question in me. I think that when we look at cancer specifically and genetics, a lot of the assumption out there is that the cause of cancer is your genes. Like it’s just genetic, it’s just there. But from the research that I’ve seen on this topic, really only about 5-10% of cancers are linked to gene defects. Is that the same studies that you’ve seen? I know you’ve done a lot of work on the causes of cancer, so I’d love to get into that.

Dr Conners:
I would agree. I think about 5% of cancers are caused genetically, but probably everybody with cancer has genetic pathways that would be beneficial to look at to help. So let me give you an example. So you could say that the BRCA gene defect, that’s the gene that is the tumor suppressor gene for breast cancer and ovarian cancer.

So, let’s take a step back again. A tumor suppressor gene are genes that we all have that kick on when a cell goes into rapid replication. So, that’s what cancer is, a cell going into rapid replication. That’s an abnormal process, but it happens on a regular basis to all of us. The replication process in the nucleus of the cell gets interrupted and instead of that cell replicated every 12 weeks and the mother cell dying, that’s called regeneration, that’s happens constantly. That’s what healing is. The cell goes into replicating every day or multiple times a day. That’s what cancer is. If that happens, which it does, it should kick on our tumor suppressor genes, which then kick on a pathway to stimulate apopptosis, or cell death. So it’s a protective measure to keep us from getting cancer. So, one could say that we all have cancer, which is true if we’re just finding cancer with what it is, it’s rapid replication of cells. So we all have rapid cells in rapid replication. These tumor suppressor genes kick on and cause cell death and kill the cell and protect us from ever having a diagnosis. People with defects on their tumor suppressor genes, and we’ll use the BRCA genes as an example, have an increased rate of cancer because they’re not kicking on that important pathway with hormonally-driven cancers like breast cancer. So they have a increased risk of breast cancer because they have multiple defects in those BRCA genes, so their risk goes up. That’s a small percentage of the population and that’s not really what we’re really concentrating on when we look at genes with a cancer patient.

We look at other risk factors like I described. Let’s say I have a lot of defects on by PON1 pathway, that’s a pathway that helps me detox large chemicals in my liver. So if I have a lot of defects on that PON1 pathway and I’m exposed to toxins in my food, food coloring, chemical herbicides and pesticides, I don’t detox those as well as I could if I didn’t have those defects. So it doesn’t mean I won’t detox it, but I’m going to be a slower detoxer of those things. So let’s say you and I were living next to each other. We’re both exposed to the same toxic load but I have a lot of defects on my PON pathway and you don’t. You could clear them out easier. The risk of ill health, because of storing toxins, is going to be less for you because you’ll be storing less, the risk of ill health including cancer for me is higher because I’m not getting rid of those poisons and if I don’t get rid of poisons, they can’t keep circulating in my blood, they’ll kill me. So my body stores them in the cells or in the extra-cellular spaces. And then if they’re stored in the cells, they could at some point down the road, interrupt that replication cycle and it could cause rapid replication. That’s what you talk about, a “cause of cancer” as a pesticide or an herbicide or some chemical or a combination of the slurry of thousands of different chemicals that I’ve been exposed to over the years. Than that is the cause of cancer for me.

So looking at those detox pathways genetically can be extremely beneficial prior to somebody getting cancer, it’d actually be a better idea, right? So, I have a lot of PON pathway defects. Then you go, okay, what from the literature that’s out there helps support that PON pathway. And then looking at metabolic charts, what are the other cofactors that help push that PON pathway? Would it be wise to supplement my diet or supplement with specific nutrition to help support that pathway to help the slow detox of my PON1 pathway to be maybe a medium detox in my PON pathway and able to get rid of those things. Then lifestyle changes like, wow, because I have these PON pathway defects, I’m goin to be even be more careful not to spray pesticides in my house or spray herbicides on my lawn because now I can see the correlation; my risk is higher for all sorts of problems because of that.

Samantha:
The people that you work with at Conners Clinic, like you said, it’s so much easier to look at these things preventatively. Do you see patients there that don’t have cancer who are just interested in getting these sort of mappings and customized plans and advice to just stay well?

Dr Conners:
We do. We do a genetic workup on anybody that wants to do genetic workup, and certainly when our cancer patients are educated this way and we go over their whole genetic profile, I don’t know that there’s hardly any of them that don’t go, “Can I do this on my husband? Can I do my kids and my grandkids?” Yes, yes, yes. So yes, we do that whole genetic, we call it a genetic review, on anybody that doesn’t have cancer too. It’s, to me, that’s a preventative program. You’re not guaranteed to prevent cancer, but you’re certainly going to help reduce your risk. If you could look at your pathways and see where you need support. Quite honestly, it’s not even just for cancer. There’s cardiovascular, there’s genes for everything. So the more comprehensive, I say the 30,000 foot view of your genes, you’re going to have a more comprehensive approach to help prevent ill health in many different ways too.

Samantha:
Absolutely. I’m so interested in the clinic that you have as well, the people that you’re working with, are they all local? I imagine some people would fly in and travel to see you or do you ever work with patients like remotely?

Dr Conners:
Because of the unique work we do and, we are probably the foremost clinic with rife knowledge because I’ve been using the rife for over 20 years, we have literally a map of the world in our office and we have little sticky things in most of the countries around the world that people have come to us. So most of our patients are not local. Probably about 70% of people fly in from somewhere in the United States. We have patients from Europe and Australia and everywhere. We also do remote testing and remote work of people that can’t come here. We’ve shipped rifes into China, into Bulgaria, you know all around the world and work with people remotely. You could do genetic work or genetic testing pretty much anywhere in the world. With the beauty of the internet and using Skype and Zoom and things like that, we can go over people’s plans and health anywhere. It’s a blessing when we can help people who don’t have disease yet. The rate of cancer in the United States is one in a 2.5 right now, so if we can push that out, that’s really our life goal here.

Samantha:
Yeah, it is a startling statistic for sure. Now, what about your success rates that you’re having at the clinic? I mean, how many patients are you seeing? Are they coming in pre-chemo, post-surgery, post-chemo? Give me a kind of snapshot of the people that you’re seeing and what kind of results that you’re having in your clinic compared to the kind of allopathic Western medicine approach to cancer treatments.

Dr Conners:
That’s probably the most common question that we get when people call our office. “What’s your success rate?” Being an alternative clinic that sees people with cancer, we have to be very careful with our language, so we do not say that we treat cancer. From a medical-legal standpoint I believe you have to be an oncologist to treat cancer, so we treat patients who have all sorts of diseases. Now we specialize in people that have a disease called cancer. Now, our success rate? Let’s take a step back. How the medical profession measures success rate with cancer is after their diagnosis, how many of these people with this exact type of cancer post-diagnosis are still alive after five years? They could die one day after five years and they would still be listed as cured. They could have lived a horrific life for five years and they die one day after five years and they’re still listed as “we cured that person.”

Samantha:
Oh Wow. Even if the cause of death was that disease?

Dr Conners:
Yes. So it’s a little skewed and you get a lot of rubber numbers out there with the success rate of cancer. The only honest way to measure the success rate of cancer is quality of life. And for one aspect, I do not believe anybody’s ever cured of cancer. People argue with me with that. No, God cured me. I don’t have any cancer in my body. And that may be true. I do believe we, we’re, as you know, a spiritual clinic, we believe that God is your holy healer. We believe that God could do anything he wants to do. But we also believe that you always have cancer cells, even if you don’t have a diagnosis of cancer, I have cancer cells. So you have to always be treating as if. And assuming that I do have that, you never quit. So when we use the rife, all of our patients go home with a rife, for instance. And people will ask, when can I stop using that? And the answer is never. You know, you’re going to use that the rest of your life. And same thing with when can I stop not eating junk food? The answer is never.

It doesn’t mean you have to use the rife every single day. And it doesn’t mean you have to eat a perfect diet the rest of your life. You can cheat or you can still enjoy life at times, but your lifestyle has to be tweaked and you want to keep it that way. So that’s the number one perspective. And then as far as success rates, we measure our success rates with, most of our patients come to us, I’d say probably about 70% right now come to us, they’ve already done chemo, surgery, or radiation or some combination thereof. And then they seek places like us out. It just is what it is, because what most people, they hear, you know, they get a diagnosis of cancer, they’re in shock, and they typically don’t think, you know where the oncologist says, “Oh you have breast cancer,” their first thought isn’t, “Huh, I got to go home and research this and how I could take care of it.”

Samantha:
They just want someone to tell them what to do.

Dr Conners:
That’s right. And it is our human inclination to not want to take responsibility. I want the doctor just to fix me. So it’s real easy to give your power over to somebody else who’s gonna take care of it.

Samantha:
Right. It’s comforting. It’s very comforting.

Dr Conners:
It is. And it takes a lot of pressure off of us, but it’s also very dangerous. So we try to re-empower people in our practice that you need to be your advocate. We’re here to educate you. We’re here to help you. We’re here to come alongside you, but we’re not here to take the responsibility away from you. That would be disempowering and that would be, that wouldn’t be helpful for you.

So again, most of our patients come to us that have already gone down the medical route. And the reason why they’re coming to us is that it wasn’t as successful as they want it to be. So a good percentage of those people are already given a timeframe. We’ve had people given two weeks to, we live near Mayo here, so a lot of people come from Mayo. They’ve been given two weeks or six months to live and they’re in dire straits. So I believe our responsibility is to reinstill hope that they don’t have to listen to that, that no one knows their time when their time is to go. I am big into being a realist, but it’s very important to not let even the statistics that are out there to govern your life and to create fear.

You have to believe that God has a purpose for you and that your time is in his hands. And that there’s ways to deal with this other than the medical profession that’s out there. So that’s a big part of our patients. I wish we had more like the 20 to 30% where they come to us say, “Hey, I found out I have cancer. I want to do a natural approach or start with a natural approach and only do the chemo/radiation/surgery if I have to.” My training is in integrative care, so I’m not against standard care. I’m just against, maybe, gross uses of it. There could be benefits to chemo and radiation and surgery on certain types of cancer, but we might not want to use the “big guns” first.

So if we could do more things from a natural perspective and change the person’s lifestyle, I think we’d get better results. So our success rate is really based upon when you have a person that’s, you know, 20 some years of doing this, I’ve seen people, they have been given just weeks to months to live and they live years later. I deem that as a success. And even if they still only live six months, their quality of life was so much better than being sick and ill and throwing up and they can’t enjoy their family and their grandkids. There just doesn’t seem to be a lot of benefits to that either.

Samantha:
Well it sounds like the work you are doing is just absolutely incredible. I love your empowerment model that you are using with your patients in the clinic. It’s so wonderful. And we talk about that a lot on this show about how you really need to take the power of your health and that responsibility as you said, in your own hands. Because if you don’t do it, then no one else will. And you know, you can’t hand it over to anyone else.

This has been fantastic. I feel like I’ve learned so much from you, Dr Conners. We really appreciate you being here. Before you go, I want to kind of change the topic and get off the topic of cancer and disease and illness and just ask, do you have a personal favorite essential oil or come across any essential oils that you’ve just found really fascinating in your studies?

Dr Conners:
I typically use Lemongrass and my diffuser and then I personally take Copaiba and Frankincense and a drop of Cinnamon. That’s what I personally take.

Samantha:
Do you take that in a capsule?

Dr Conners:
No, I don’t. So I typically put a drop a cinnamon on my finger and take it. Cinnamon is high and aldehydes.

Samantha:
Do you just like lick it off your finger? Oh wow, that’s so strong.

Dr Conners:
And Copaiba is really easy to take. So is frankincense. So I take that orally as well. But I do that, just full disclosure, I also have stage four cancer, so that’s why I’m taking that. So if I didn’t have cancer would I take that orally, probably not.

Samantha:
Were you diagnosed with cancer before your journey into Conners Clinic? Is that sort of what prompted it or…

Dr Conners:
No, no, no. I just diagnosed a little over two years ago with a fairly rare cancer that, um, not a real good outcome. Mayo just did a study on my type of cancer a few years ago with 10 or 12 people in the study and the longest person lived 16 months after diagnosis and I’m out over two years without doing any chemo or anything. So, and I’m still working full time.

Samantha:
Well, what an interesting story. I wish we could have you back in here. All that. Well, we always like to ask our guests these closing questions. The first, you’ve already gone into somewhat, but just give us a little glimpse into what some of your other daily health habits look like.

Dr Conners:
My daily health habits should be much better than they currently are. I am addicted to studying and learning and listening to audiobooks and podcasts like yours. Probably my biggest daily health habit has to do with, just being in prayer and, just quiet time. That to me is the most important thing because all the stresses that you have in life, and being a clinician, I am an empath. So I take on all my patients burdens really easy and it affects me. It could affect me very negatively. So I have to really make time to just purposefully give them back to God in prayer, otherwise it could just eat at me. So that’s probably my most important. If I don’t do that on a very regular basis, I notice my health slipping. Diet is important. I try to eat almost exclusively gluten-free, dairy-free because of my cancer.

I don’t eat much meat at all. When I was first diagnosed with cancer, I was just completely dairy- and any animal protein-free except for some fish. Now maybe once or twice a month I’ll eat a little chicken. So my cancer happens to be driven slightly off of animal protein. So I have to be careful of that. And then, the biggest thing is tried to give back to God the burdens of my patients and then actively be praying for my patients is one of my biggest health benefits.

Samantha:
Finally, Dr Conners, what’s just one thing we should all ditch completely and replace with something healthier today?

Dr Conners:
Boy, I mean, you could talk about diet and you could talk about all that kind of stuff. But I think, you know, as with my journey in getting diagnosed with a cancer that has a 7% 5-year survival rate, made me think of what’s really important. And I would say the thing that I’m working on ditching completely is judging. Judging myself and judging others and putting expectations on others and putting expectations on myself that God hasn’t placed. So that’s just in my journey that God’s really working on me ditching, because I think that is, uh, at least for me, maybe it’s just me. There I am judging myself.

Samantha:
Well, this reminds me of something I always say and you know in fact, I included in my bio on my website sometimes: “I believe that health is simple, wealth is doable, but happiness takes priority over both.” Because you know, I mean health, it’s simple. Eat your veggies, eat fruits, you know, take supplements, your fitness, exercise, I mean it’s not that complicated, but it is hard. And then, you know, wealth is doable, but it’s not the most important thing in the world. And with everything, like don’t judge yourself, don’t judge others. Don’t stress yourself out. You know about eating the doughnut. Because your happiness is, it should take priority over everything, I believe.

Well, thank you again Dr Conners for coming on with us today. I know people can connect with you through your website ConnersClinic.com and we’ll put that in the show notes, and that you can download your free book, ConnorsClinic.com/books that sounds fascinating. We’ll put that in the show notes as well. Is there any other place you want to direct people to connect with you?

Dr Conners:
Well if you go to our regular website ConnersClinic.com you can go to our resources and blog and books page. We have hundreds of videos on genetics if that rang with you a little bit, and other subjects. We give all of our information away for free, so I just, I believe again in empowering people, whether they could ever come to us or not, they can use the information that I’ve been given to help themselves. You know, we encourage that.